Homophobia is alive and well in the Porsche community...

"marshknute" (marshknute) 07/31/2020 at 09:01 • Filed to: None

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Screenshot from the !!!error: Indecipherable SUB-paragraph formatting!!! Instagram page. The comments section ain’t pretty .

Also, can anyone identify the last car’s PTS color (the red/purple one) ?

From left to right, I think they’re: Guards Red, RS Orange, Speed Yellow, RS Green, Aqua Blue, and Ruby Star (not sure on that last one, it looks darker/redder than Ruby).

Ssfancyfresh > marshknute 07/31/2020 at 09:08

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People get so mad at rainbows. Bunch of dum dums, if you ask me. Rainbows are great!

There’s a town adjacent to the one where I live that has rainbow cross walks. It’s so great and happy! Rainbows everywhere! You can’t help but smile.

Jerks.

Arrivederci > marshknute 07/31/2020 at 09:08

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Dollars to donuts, none of those commenters has ever spent a dime on a Porsche.

The Ghost of Oppo > marshknute 07/31/2020 at 09:25

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Homophobia is alive almost everywhere . We need to stop kidding ourselves that passing new laws cures stupidity and ignorance .

CalzoneGolem > marshknute 07/31/2020 at 09:26

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Those guys need to get out of the closet, amirite?

The Snowman > marshknute 07/31/2020 at 09:28

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There is a mean sounding 964 that runs around Park City in that same magenta- ish color. I think the driver is some kinda c-list celeb  based on how quick he got seated and served lunch the other day. My wife asked who he was.

Ash78, voting early and often > marshknute 07/31/2020 at 09:30

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Porsche has the right to post whatever promotional shots are important to them, and 95% of viewers will just ignore it if they don’t like it.

That said, it doesn’t pass the basic “double standard test,” plus so much LGBTQ marketing just feels like pandering to me, but that’s just a mild opinion. I’m not the target market, so I’m just projecting.

I’m more interested in the mustachioed guy who helped found Porsche and his attitude towards gays. It wasn’t pretty. But Cancel Culture apparently has a Statute of Limitations and/or a Grandfather Clause of some kind. People still buy Henry Ford’s cars, too...

I like cars: Jim Spanfeller is one ugly motherfucker > marshknute 07/31/2020 at 09:30

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In general, “car culture” is toxic, so yeah, not surprised

Smallbear wants a modern Syclone, local Maple Leafs spammer > Ash78, voting early and often 07/31/2020 at 09:33

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But Cancel Culture apparently has a Statute of Limitations and/or a Grandfather Clause of some kind.

Not sure on that. Seem like a lot of people are finding out that once the current resources have been used, the “cancellers” have no issues going back 30-40 years more more material.

gmporschenut also a fan of hondas > marshknute 07/31/2020 at 09:33

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It’s bad enough  but not shocking when you see boomers spout crap.

I think the color is Carmen red

bob and john > Ash78, voting early and often 07/31/2020 at 09:39

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I’m with you.

I dont particularly care ...but this feel like pandering and yea, if they did something like for non LBGT, there would be a shit-fit.

Whatever, moving on. 

bob and john > Ash78, voting early and often 07/31/2020 at 09:39

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I’m with you.

I dont particularly care ...but this feel like pandering and yea, if they did something like for non LBGT, there would be a shit-fit.

Whatever, moving on. 

davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com > marshknute 07/31/2020 at 09:40

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I think it’s Ruby - the RS Orange looks darker than actual, too. 

SilentButNotReallyDeadly...killed by G/O Media > marshknute 07/31/2020 at 09:41

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Instagram. Porsche 'community'. Dumbfucks on the internet. Where we are now...

MKULTRA1982(ConCrustyBrick) > Ash78, voting early and often 07/31/2020 at 09:43

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It sounds like you’re upset about wanting to cancel homophobia. I also see reason in choosing to avoid a company based on what they do now, not what their dead and decades removed founder did, especially if you buy in to the ‘not responsible for my ancestors’ thing. 

Ash78, voting early and often > Smallbear wants a modern Syclone, local Maple Leafs spammer 07/31/2020 at 09:44

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Have you even read Abe Lincoln’s twitter feed from when he was just an attorney in Illinois? It’s unreal!

/ s

dumpsterfire! > The Snowman 07/31/2020 at 09:48

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pretty sure that was Robert Redford ;)

OmerCarrothers333 > The Snowman 07/31/2020 at 09:51

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What’s his ass on Grey’s Anatomy, who is also into auto racing, hangs in Park City. I hear he’s a lousy tipper.

However, Ken Block’s the only “car guy celebrity” I know of living in Park City.

OmerCarrothers333 > marshknute 07/31/2020 at 09:53

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Johnny Cash wished he could wear a rainbow, my daughters like rainbows, rainbows are cool s; and so is   the LGBTQ community.

Jake - Has Bad Luck So You Don't Have To > marshknute 07/31/2020 at 09:56

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yikes.

gmporschenut also a fan of hondas > davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com 07/31/2020 at 09:57

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It’s taken under  the museum. 

Ash78, voting early and often > MKULTRA1982(ConCrustyBrick) 07/31/2020 at 09:59

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Depending on who you listen to, we are respon sible for our ancestors. Well, unless our ancestors were Confederate generals, then it’s ok. Or maybe it’s not.

The one thing lacking from a lot of the discussion is cultural norms and zeitgest. Basically “context.”

My grandmother saying “I don’t trust that one Jewish tailor, what’s his name? ” in 1940s New York is definitely bigoted, but reflects her upbringing in a world of rampant, casual anti-Semitism.

If someone said that today, it’s far, far worse. I’m just saying things need to be understood in the context of when they were said, in what culture, and who said them. The difficult part is when people alive TODAY spanned multiple cultural norms. I called things “gay” in the 80s as a kid, and I had no idea what homosexuality was. The two were completely unique, but I now realize how bad that was. Saying it today (unironically) would be pretty terrible.

newnamesameme > marshknute 07/31/2020 at 10:01

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No one is more of a snowflake than someone who is so insecure about what other, consenting, adults are doing in the bedroom. Who cares? Let people live their lives.

Also, RS Green is a great color.

Milky > Ash78, voting early and often 07/31/2020 at 10:04

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FWIW regarding your “double standard test” a lot of marketing is heteronormative. They have videos of couples lovingly spinning around, doesn’ t hurt to show a gay guy every once in a while.

Jim Spanfeller > Ssfancyfresh 07/31/2020 at 10:04

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Not dissing gay people, but I am a tiny bit frustrated that they took the rainbow and made it their thing. I liked rainbows. But now if I have anything rainbow-colored, people assume I’m gay. It’s just a tab annoying. Rainbows don’t have sexuality, it’s just light refracted in rain!!!!

BrooklynEagle > marshknute 07/31/2020 at 10:04

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Right. Because in no way, shape, or form has Porsche ever, ever, *ever* had *anything* to do with projecting one’s sexual presence into the universe. Nope, no way, no how. Nosirree, Bob.

Ash78, voting early and often > Milky 07/31/2020 at 10:08

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Absolutely true! I was more referring to if we put hetero up on a specific pedestal and made an ad overtly praising it (that would read like pure homophobia/reactionary) . Obviously you can’t compare the two exactly , but critics will do just that, so it’s often better to take a more subtle approach.

The ad doesn’t bother me...in fact, those are some of the best colors Porsche ever had. Their launch ad in the US showed the designers looking at M&Ms and other sources of inspiration. Wish I could post it, but Kinja has killed copy/paste for me completely. Just an error message.

The Snowman > OmerCarrothers333 07/31/2020 at 10:12

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Hahaha if it was anyone from Gray's anatomy my wife would have been telling me who they were for sure. We have met Ken and Lucy a few times and it wasn't them either.

ttyymmnn > marshknute 07/31/2020 at 10:18

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This is the whole problem with social media in a nutshell. I wish Porsche would just put out their photo, aimed at their intended audience, without the ability for people to say anything at all. We don’t need anybody’s opinion. T he fact that it’s social media means that people are compelled to say whatever they want, and to do so anonymously. The greatest thing about the Internet is that it lets everybody have a voice. The worst thing about the Internet is that it lets everybody have a voice. People need to learn to keep their mouth shut. 

“ Even a fool is thought wise if he keeps silent, and discerning if he holds his tongue.”   Proverbs 17:28

BlueMazda2 - Blesses the rains down in Africa, Purveyor of BMW Individual Arctic Metallic, Merci Twingo > marshknute 07/31/2020 at 10:20

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PTS Rubystone Red from the 964

I’m still proudly love Porsche and am glad they stand with us.

CalzoneGolem > Jim Spanfeller 07/31/2020 at 10:20

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Jim Spanfeller > CalzoneGolem 07/31/2020 at 10:22

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bshappy > bob and john 07/31/2020 at 10:23

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Advertising is pandering.

Rainbows-pandering to LGBT people.

Bikini clad women/6 pack shirtless men- pandering to straight people.

I don’t understand why this upsets people (people in general, not you necessarily ).

facw > bob and john 07/31/2020 at 10:24

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They do something “like this” every time they have an ad with a hetero couple. 

Smallbear wants a modern Syclone, local Maple Leafs spammer > Ash78, voting early and often 07/31/2020 at 10:26

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My grandmother saying “I don’t trust that one Jewish tailor, what’s his name?” in 1940s New York is definitely bigoted, but reflects her upbringing in a world of rampant, casual anti-Semitism.  

Context is everything. If s he happens to use a different tailor now who is ALSO Jewish, or if she deals with Jewish people for any other services she might need where there are alternatives available, I would find it a stretch to call that anti-semetism . Rather it would seem to me to be a way she’s trying to identify/describe someone she can’t remember the name of who she feels wronged her in the past . However if there’s a larger track record there, like going out of her way to avoid Jewish services in general, that’s a conversation I’m willing to be part of. And yet, at this point, leave Grandma alone and try not to bring up the subject. She’s a product of her time and at this point you won’t be changing anything. Focus on making sure the grandkids know what it wrong with what she says.

These days it feels like so often the context is left on the cutting room floor, and it really doesn’t do anyone any good. Yelling doesn’t change minds, it mostly just makes people retreat into their own bubble, and it DEFINITELY doesn’t change minds when the publicly-available context is ignored because it doesn’t fit the pattern you want to see.

ClassicDatsunDebate > ttyymmnn 07/31/2020 at 10:35

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People can’t mind their own business anymore.

nFamousCJ - Keeper of Stringbean, Gengars and a Deezul > newnamesameme 07/31/2020 at 10:36

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Best quote I ever heard in regards to this was "gayest thing ever is one man obsessing over what another man is doing with his pecker" 

bob and john > bshappy 07/31/2020 at 10:36

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fair.

Ssfancyfresh > Jim Spanfeller 07/31/2020 at 10:37

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To those people that presume or judge , that’s on them. Rainbows are for everybody and they are great!

Jim Spanfeller > Ssfancyfresh 07/31/2020 at 10:40

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Maybe it’s just my bad memories from autobody class.... I swear, liking anything that wasn’t a bro truck or muscle car got you labeled as gay in that class and picked on. It was freaking annoying. Why are gay people the only people allowed to like things without judgement?

Ash78, voting early and often > Smallbear wants a modern Syclone, local Maple Leafs spammer 07/31/2020 at 10:41

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She still avoids her Jewish neighbors in the assisted living home. And to a lesser degree, the Poles, Italians, Cubans, and just about anyone else she can place in a box to support her anti-social tendencies.

That era strikes me as the purest form of “Otherism” for lack of a better term. You had your homogeneous social group and they were the best. Everyone else was not just different, but lesser. People can say what they want about Jim Crow and other forms of overt oppression, but the stuff wandering around just below the surface all around America for many decades was pretty awful.

K-Roll-PorscheTamer > bob and john 07/31/2020 at 10:44

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This is pretty much my opinion with some extra details following . I don’t care what they post. If it makes someone feel better about themselves, and promote a good cause, who am I to neg it? Perhaps it’s my straight arse on the outside looking in, but these things always seem like pandering . But a mong the things to be triggered or upset by, this shouldn’t even be on the rational scale, there’s far worse . Not to say this upsets you, it shouldn’t upset anyone, frankly .

It’s a nice pic though.

ttyymmnn > ClassicDatsunDebate 07/31/2020 at 10:45

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They never could before, it’s just that now they have a bullhorn to use when they’re not minding their own business.

Smallbear wants a modern Syclone, local Maple Leafs spammer > Ash78, voting early and often 07/31/2020 at 10:46

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Yeah, that’s pretty clear then...

benn454 > Ash78, voting early and often 07/31/2020 at 10:47

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 That takes way too much effort and doesn't get you that sweet endorphin rush when the likes pile up.

K-Roll-PorscheTamer > marshknute 07/31/2020 at 11:04

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I feel like Homophobia is alive more so on social media as a whole rather than with just one brand or company.

SiennaMan > marshknute 07/31/2020 at 11:15

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Please tell me this isn’t aimed at lgbtq+ because the cars are actually colors and not black, white and grey.. I guess I don’t see how this photo is targeted at a particluar audience in that manner, other than that it does seem to target young white men presumably with money, which I suppose is a part of Porsches target demographic.

I would think if they were trying to make an inclusive PC statement they’d have included at least one non-caucasian..

bob and john > K-Roll-PorscheTamer 07/31/2020 at 11:21

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yep. I dont care. I’m not saying anything negative about it. Like you say, it might be because of my stright-ass looking in,

certianly not something to be triggered by. Id look at it and go: oh. they are gay. huh. and then move right the fuck on XD 

ZHP Sparky, the 5th > Ash78, voting early and often 07/31/2020 at 11:31

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I was more referring to if we put hetero up on a specific pedestal and made an ad overtly praising it (that would read like pure homophobia/reactionary).

But isn’t that what the example above, and every other damn ad with a husband surprising a wife with a car for Christmas essentially doing? To us heteros its so damn regular that we don’t even necessarily view it as anything out of the ordinary. Do the same with a gay or lesbian couple and I promise you those same assholes will be commenting on the ad with the exact same BS.

You’re right, this isn’t even on the radar of things to be bothered by. Also this is lining up with the whole “All lives matter!” situation. There’s a reason hetero couples aren’t celebrated by random companies in the same way - they aren’t a population that has been excluded and shunned by society, and corporate marketing, for all of history until about right now when we’re finally starting to move away from it. 

ZHP Sparky, the 5th > Arrivederci 07/31/2020 at 11:42

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Dammit, now I want donuts for breakfast. 

ZHP Sparky, the 5th > Jim Spanfeller 07/31/2020 at 11:44

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Why are gay people the only people allowed to like things without judgement?

LOL. You’re a real comedian!

ZHP Sparky, the 5th > SiennaMan 07/31/2020 at 11:47

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I would think if they were trying to make an inclusive PC statement they’d have included at least one non-caucasian..

Whoa now, you crazy SJW ! Easy there, it’s still only 2020. 

If only EssExTee could be so grossly incandescent > Jim Spanfeller 07/31/2020 at 11:48

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If you're an ally, you don't care if people assume you're LGBT

If only EssExTee could be so grossly incandescent > I like cars: Jim Spanfeller is one ugly motherfucker 07/31/2020 at 11:50

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Ssfancyfresh > Jim Spanfeller 07/31/2020 at 11:57

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Ah. Yes. Well, I owned a TT for 6 years so maybe that’s the source of my super power. 

Dr_Watson > Smallbear wants a modern Syclone, local Maple Leafs spammer 07/31/2020 at 12:05

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Yeah, Planned Parenthood canceled Margaret Sanger when woke twitter found out she was a Eugenics fan (of course she was, why do you think birth control was invented?)

newnamesameme > nFamousCJ - Keeper of Stringbean, Gengars and a Deezul 07/31/2020 at 12:15

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lol, ive never heard that one before. Thats 100% on the money. 

Neil drives a beetle and a fancy beetle > marshknute 07/31/2020 at 12:18

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To the guy that said sexual preferences are to be  discussed in the bedroom; that sounds like a way to be disappointed or surprised. I’d highly recommend confirming sexual preference long before you end up in the bed room with someone. 

But the takeaway for me is all of these people live in complete denial of the real world and should be shunned or ignored.

BigBlock440 > newnamesameme 07/31/2020 at 12:28

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You just reworded what the comments in the picture said...

fintail > marshknute 07/31/2020 at 12:32

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Ugh. Instagram: “We’re not as bad as Twitter, but damn it we’re trying!”

It’s cute when people with deplorable opinions apparently believe they are anonymous. Maybe the only thing worse than being on the wrong side of history is having your name attached to it, and your sad opinions shared with those you may know.

I also love seeing people who may identify as being on the so-called right snark about “cancel culture” - when the ideal is probably the best example of a free market at work. Take a stupid stance, and buyers can vote with their wallet. Freedom. But it offends those who might toss their Dixie Chicks CDs or smash their Yeti cooler, so somehow it is to be mocked. Oh, conservatives.

I’d wager few of those crying on Instagram (something something doth protest too much, methinks...) above have the means to buy any of those cars, and to those that do, I am sure Porsche doesn’t give two shits - someone else will take their place in line i f they have the stones act on their whine.

t0ast > Ash78, voting early and often 07/31/2020 at 12:41

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As someone in that group (who also happens to generally despise marketing/advertising), it tends to be conflicting to some degree . On one hand, representation and visibility in a “normal” part of society is absolutely a good thing. On the other, it usually comes across as low-effort virtue signaling in something that is still ultimately focused on brand/product promotion more often than not. IMO, if a brand can’t bring up a social issue and let it take the lead without making it about themselves, then it’s really hard to see it as more than pandering. It’s better than nothing, but little more than it.

Best I can tell from the associated press release Porsche just parked these cars outside their own museum during an LGBT event and took the opportunity to toot their own LGBT-friendly internal HR policy horn, so that’s a solid meh/10 from my end.

fintail > bob and john 07/31/2020 at 12:42

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Porsche has used non-LGBT themes, with no whine from the likely repressed and poorly educated Insta peanut gallery.  Weird!

Jim Spanfeller > ZHP Sparky, the 5th 07/31/2020 at 13:45

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I wonder if any car enthusiasts have ever decided to identify as gay just so they can drive a Miata in peace...

Jim Spanfeller > If only EssExTee could be so grossly incandescent 07/31/2020 at 13:49

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Thing is, (hear me out), I’m a Christian. We generally don’t believe that you can be a gender you weren’t born as. However, that does not mean I hate gay people. Not at all. I’ve met several and they’re very nice people. I don’t have to agree with someone’s beliefs to love them and accept them as a person.

Also, in the context of that autobody class, most of the people I’m talking about were wannabe thug types who would pick on you mercilessly for being gay. Not fun people to be around. THAT was why it was annoying.

gmporschenut also a fan of hondas > marshknute 07/31/2020 at 13:49

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Porsche needs to split up ruby Naming . There’s ruby 2006, ruby 2012 (orangish) , ruby star/ rubystone pinkish

If only EssExTee could be so grossly incandescent > Jim Spanfeller 07/31/2020 at 14:26

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Not a belief, tho

Dead_Elvis, Inc. > Jim Spanfeller 07/31/2020 at 15:54

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Not dissing gay people, but I am a tiny bit frustrated that they took the rainbow and made it their thing.

Of course! S traight people have had pretty much everything they love taken away from them, so I can see why you’re frustrated with Big Gay, Inc. I mean, what do we have left at this point?

Oh, right - everything .

Jim Spanfeller > If only EssExTee could be so grossly incandescent 07/31/2020 at 16:37

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That is your belief...

I disagree with it, but I still love and respect you as a person.

onlytwowheels > marshknute 07/31/2020 at 17:17

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I wonder what they would think of this vintage IROC photo.

Dead_Elvis, Inc. > onlytwowheels 07/31/2020 at 18:14

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“IROC? I don’t see no Cameros!”

Otto-the-Croatian-'Whoops my Volvo is a sedan' > Jim Spanfeller 08/02/2020 at 08:11

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OMG physics are gay now too. They took it all!!
/s